Breaking barriers: Yulia Stark on Women’s Leadership and Gender Equality
Table of contents
- Redefining Inclusivity in leadership and career journey
- How do you view the importance of gender balance and diversity, particularly in leadership positions?
- Considering your recent experiences, what significant insight have you gained recently that you might not have believed before?
- What advice would you give to companies, whether they’re in the country you’d like to mention or anywhere in the world, that want to foster a more diverse work environment? What steps would you recommend they take, or where should they begin?
- Reflections on the past, future trends, and mentorship
- Could you please share any mistakes you’ve encountered in your professional journey?
- When hiring for senior roles within your business, what specific criteria do you consider, particularly in terms of promoting gender diversity?
- What aspects of your business do you believe attract top talent?
- If you met quotas while working in your industry, were they appropriate for you, your business, or the industry you worked in?
- You mentioned that you’re currently in Dubai, and we’re very interested in the diversity, leadership, and opportunities for women there and even in the Middle East. What can you tell us about it? Is the labor market changing? Are there new opportunities for women to find, stay, or be promoted?
Meet Yulia Stark, President of the EWA European Women’s Association, a TOP 50 Global Inspirational Woman, and recognized as one of the 40 under 40. In this interview, Yulia shares her leadership and career journeys, focusing on women’s experiences in diversity, equity, and the role of inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. She emphasizes the importance of equal representation of gender and diversity in leadership positions, reflecting on the lessons based on her personal and professional experiences. Yulia also shares valuable insights for companies aiming to create a more diverse and inclusive work environment. The discussion underlines the significance of equal opportunities, the positive impact of mentoring, and the dynamics of global labor markets, mainly in regions like the GCC. Let’s dive right into the discussion.
Redefining Inclusivity in leadership and career journey
The career path for women in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) is characterized by a dedication to equal opportunity, representation, and fair treatment in the workplace. Women leaders in DEI strive to eliminate barriers and promote inclusive policies and practices that support underrepresented groups. Their focus is on creating an environment where diverse talent can thrive, ensuring that voices from all backgrounds are heard and valued. This journey involves ongoing learning, resilience, and a commitment to fostering a culture of respect, equity, and inclusion within the organization.
Q: How do you view the importance of gender balance and diversity, particularly in leadership positions?
Why is gender equality important? Let’s look at the numbers. Statistics show that women hold less than 10% of leadership positions in Fortune 500 companies. In the world of entrepreneurship, the percentage is slightly better at 20-25%, but we aspire for more.
We are in an era where technology can automate various industrial tasks. This shift offers an opportunity for women to leverage their innate skills, particularly emotional intelligence. While technology drives logical thinking, community participation and human resources are essential for the workforce.
Research demonstrates that teams led by women foster deeper trust and engagement within their ecosystems, teams, or companies. Women’s adeptness at interpersonal interactions is an asset in leadership roles, offering a promising future.
Historically, women have fulfilled roles as mothers, wives, and caregivers while juggling these responsibilities alongside company leadership. Women also often provide care for older people and children, regardless of the country.
Having women in leadership positions benefits companies. McKinsey’s research suggests that women, including women investors, tend to perform better.
Diversity is essential in addition to productivity.
How can leaders create solutions or technologies for the world without involving half the population? Ultimately, it is about equity and creating value for all genders and populations.
Q: Considering your recent experiences, what significant insight have you gained recently that you might not have believed before?
Over the past three years, I have been working to build connections and empower women in Europe and the GCC region. I was ignorant and thought, “Oh well, let’s come to the GCC and empower women.” The opposite happened. I found that the women in the UAE have actually empowered me with their family and social values.
In Western Europe, where I grew up in Belgium, I noticed that as women, we are very goal-oriented and career-oriented, but we often lose out on family and social connections. We don’t have time for our uncles and aunts. We don’t have time to celebrate Christmas, New Year, or birthdays as big families.
Back here, they somehow managed to put it all together.
In my view, advancements in technology such as ChatGPT pose a significant threat to certain female-dominated workplaces like accounting, law, social networks, management, marketing, and PR. Many tasks that were traditionally done by people are now being taken over by artificial intelligence. However, I believe that if women could integrate this technology into our lives, we would have more time for the things that truly matter — our children, our families, and the next generation.
As entrepreneurs and leaders, we often aim to be role models and create a better life for our children and future generations. However, in this pursuit, we sometimes lose touch with what’s most important to us — our families.
In Europe, it’s common for children to be raised by non-family members, mostly caretakers. While there’s nothing wrong with this, children also need the love and connection that comes from their parents, grandparents, and extended family.
I believe that as female leaders, we should not see technology as something to compete with, but rather as a tool to help us achieve a better balance in our lives. My mother always told me that I don’t have to choose; I can have it all, but I need to be smart about it.
Now, with the help of technology like ChatGPT, I can manage my work more efficiently, allowing me to spend more time with my family.
As for my personal situation, I currently live in Dubai, and I have brought my daughter here along with a nanny, my mom’s best friend. I believe that it’s not about choosing between being a leader or a mother, but rather about finding a balance and integrating technology to make life simpler and more efficient.
I need to use technology wisely, learn from other cultures, and not ignore them. We can learn a lot from different cultures, religions, etc. It’s an eye-opener for me. You don’t have to choose.
Q: What advice would you give to companies, whether they‘re in the country you’d like to mention or anywhere in the world, that want to foster a more diverse work environment? What steps would you recommend they take, or where should they begin?
Changes in our lives almost daily create more competition in the market. If you don’t utilize all available resources, including diverse talents and perspectives like gender, nationality, culture, and religion, you’ll miss out on many opportunities.
The world is very diverse and mixed, and companies that will survive and thrive are those that are innovative. Innovation happens through diversity, not by having a homogeneous group. Embracing uncomfortable diversity is crucial because accepting different opinions and visions sets you apart.
From a business perspective, thriving requires innovation, and innovation requires diversification. Research indicates that having more women in any industry yields a higher return on investment (ROI) than having ONLY male colleagues. There’s abundant research from sources like Microsoft, McKinsey, and EY supporting this claim.
Women tend to exhibit better money management, achieve superior long-term results, foster improved team cohesion, hire more effectively, and generate higher ROI.
Diversifying is a wise investment decision backed by financial reasoning, as well.
For instance, statistics from the World Bank reveal that the majority of women’s earnings (around 87%) go back into their ecosystem, including education, household, and elder care, benefitting society. In contrast, men tend to spend more on hobbies and gadgets.
Therefore, when women earn well, it benefits everyone around them.
If these financial reasons and the impact on the next generation don’t motivate you, I’m not sure what will.
Reflections on the past, future trends, and mentorship
Looking back, women in the sphere of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) have made significant strides in combating bias and advocating for equal opportunity.
These efforts set the stage for future trends focused on intersectionality, technological integration, and global inclusiveness.
In the future, mentoring will become a critical component in empowering women to overcome career challenges, develop leadership skills, and cultivate an inclusive environment. Through mentorship, experienced leaders can guide the next generation, ensuring continued progress and innovation in DEI initiatives.
Let’s examine various key aspects of women’s professional performance in the field of DEI, including overcoming mistakes such as, strategic hiring practices, attracting top talent, the role of quotas in achieving diversity, and developing the landscape for women in leadership roles in regions such as the Middle East.
Q: Could you please share any mistakes you’ve encountered in your professional journey?
You probably didn’t try or play too well if you didn’t make any mistakes. My ones are:
- Trying to do too much alone
- Having too many projects simultaneously
- Accepting too much
- Not asking for help
- Thinking I could do everything independently.
Looking back now, the fundamental mistake I made was when my son was just a baby, he’s almost 14 now. I worked too much. If it wasn’t for my mom giving him attention, love, and care, I’m not sure it would have been healthy for him.
I used to travel too much. I am still traveling, but now I take my family with me. I couldn’t do a nine-to-five job and stay in one city; it’s just my personality. I’ve learned to embrace who I am and not try to fit within a certain paradigm of how a mother should be. That gives me a lot of freedom.
Okay, that’s who I am, but how can I work around it and still make it suitable for everyone I care about? That means maybe I should find a way to support that personality by getting more help, from cleaning to cooking, to supporting the children in school.
But I think it’s asking for help, and what I see, not only in my mistake but for many women I’m working with, is that we don’t invest our time properly in strategic networking. We go around; we know many people but don’t leverage them. First, the people we know are not strategic enough to make a difference in our careers.
Now, I’m very much aware of where I go. If I go to an event, I know who will be there and what the possible outcome of that time investment will be. If I go away from my family for a week, I need to understand why, who will be there, and what added value they can bring to my career or life or what I can bring to theirs. It’s a constant social capital exchange.
This is where men are naturally great. They have built up such a big social capital through networking in circles and brotherhood clubs, and they do it very smartly. I’ve learned from most of my male business partners how to network by giving to the right people who appreciate and give back much more in return.
They are in the right rooms, at the right tables, to have the power to support you and open opportunities for you. I think that’s the biggest thing I didn’t do. I’ve caught up, but in the first decade of my career, I was everywhere doing too much and not finishing many of the projects I started.
Q: When hiring for senior roles within your business, what specific criteria do you consider, particularly in terms of promoting gender diversity?
I do tend to look for women for the role. It speaks for itself. But at the same time, if a man is better at the job, I will choose the man. Preference goes to women just because giving them a chance. It doesn’t mean she’ll get the job because she’s a woman. That’s the first thing.
Second, when it comes to C-level, to me, it’s the experience they’ve gained. I want to see it in numbers. I want to see certain KPIs. I also appreciate that it largely depends on the region, but for example, the GCC region, I will re-examine the social capital they have built. So, what is their reputation in the market? How connected are they in our industry?
It means I should be able to send this person on my behalf to discuss certain possibilities. This is largely coupled with the social capital they have built up throughout their careers.
Of course, in our ecosystem of the European Women’s Association, the members who join are natural givers. You don’t come only to take. Of course, you’re coming to get your salary, but what are you bringing besides the job description? What’s the attitude?
Some people won’t work for me if they don’t have this entrepreneurial attitude. I’m not looking for a 9:00 to 5:00 mentality because our projects are flexible. Sometimes you’ll have to work in the evening or fly at the weekend.
With the C-level, it’s very interesting. Most of their kids are already teenagers or older, so they’re much freer than the young generation, making it easier for them to travel with us. I think that’s the main thing.
Q: What aspects of your business do you believe attract top talent?
It’s all about that entrepreneurial and innovative international aspect.
I recently joined hands with a new co-founder in the last six months. She’s another leader, incredibly smart and amazing. She was based, and still is, in Cyprus. What drew her in was the opportunity to collaborate with decision-makers on a global scale, travel, and engage with different cultures.
This is not just about women, but it’s also about the sisterhood of women. It’s not something everyone may resonate with, as it’s generally not easy to find women who genuinely support each other. I’ve been fortunate to be surrounded by women who give without expecting much in return, perhaps because they have already accumulated enough to give. You can only share when you have enough.
I believe that’s the beauty of embodying this international entrepreneurial vibe. We aren’t corporate in the traditional sense. When we bring people on board, we expect them to be adaptable and, I’d say, come up with solutions.
Q: If you met quotas while working in your industry, were they appropriate for you, your business, or the industry you worked in?
It’s a complicated feeling. First, you don’t need a quota in certain industries because you already have enough talent of the right or mixed gender.
But there are fields where women, as a rule, don’t have such an opportunity. Take women in finance as an example. I’m from investment banking and was the youngest woman on the team.
There is still this unconscious bias that prompts us to hire those who look like us. Because leadership is still predominantly male, they tend to choose men, which makes sense and logical, but they miss out on the opportunities that come with more diversity and innovation on their team.
Quotas should only be a temporary measure, serving as a tool to achieve diversity until it is naturally integrated into the hiring process. At that point, the focus should shift solely to talent and ability. Artificial intelligence in HR can play a significant role in this transition by removing gender biases from the equation.
AI tools can analyze candidate qualifications, conduct interviews, and ask questions in a gender-neutral manner, ensuring that the best person for the job is selected.
Q: You mentioned that you‘re currently in Dubai, and we’re very interested in the diversity, leadership, and opportunities for women there and even in the Middle East. What can you tell us about it? Is the labor market changing? Are there new opportunities for women to find, stay, or be promoted?
You will be surprised, but the diversity in the GCC is much better than in most European countries.
According to the law, 50% of the public sector is women, a number that is not seen in the European Commission.
There is no gender pay gap; men and women are equal under the law. The GCC has been stringent in promoting gender equality, establishing a gender balance council at the federal level to oversee and develop policies that empower women. UAE is a young country, only 52 years old.
Ten years ago, there were differences in rights, but now the situation is more stable.
Women need to be motivated to work in the private sector, where about 30% of management positions are held by women, which is not bad compared to Europe. They aim to reach 50% and want to be an example for other Gulf countries. They are collecting data from the UN to demonstrate how to empower women economically.
The European Women’s Association is collaborating with the UAE Ministry of Economy to encourage more UAE women to enter the public sector and entrepreneurship, particularly in technology businesses.
The government supports women by providing top-tier education in the country’s prestigious universities. Recent partnerships, such as with Zayed University, focus on entrepreneurship programs that guide women from concept to market and provide support through investment.
Saudi Arabia has seen similar progress, with women rapidly gaining many rights. Some women feel this progress is happening too quickly, leading to a backlash. They are rapidly catching up and, in some aspects, are more developed than Europe. This is the price of democracy in Europe; it requires more time.
As His Excellency, our Belgian ambassador, said, democracy has a price. However, overall, women in the UAE are quite advanced, and the Gulf countries are not far behind.
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